Socialism: Frustrating The Purpose of Man

Or “The Improper Role Of Government”


To me, the most basic and important differences which exist between living conditions in one nation and another are largely accounted for by the differences in the laws of those nations and how such laws are executed. I assume that it is the moral, religious, and ethical beliefs of the people which largely determine what the laws of a republic or a democracy shall be; nevertheless it is the law of the land which guarantees the individual his liberty or makes of him a slave.

We usually explain the differences between life in one country and another by saying the governments are different. In the last analysis, however, it is the law which either puts restraints upon the law enforcement agencies on the one hand, or gives them unbridled power to deal arbitrarily with the citizen’s life, liberty, and property on the other.

Governments are established primarily for the purpose of enforcing a code of moral behavior called criminal law. Man has felt the need to have an agency which is at the same time powerful enough and impartial enough to seek out and punish those who intentionally injure or destroy the life, liberty, or property, of another.

Agreement about what the law should be ceases when we get into the area of administrative law. When the state, instead of merely protecting property rights, adopts measures which are in effect a denial of the right of private property—when the state under the sanction of the law, takes by force the property of one person and gives it to another—when it establishes monopolies, by giving some citizens the privilege of entering into certain economic activities but denies all others this privilege—when the state denies its citizens the freedom to enter business contracts of their own choosing—in short when the state becomes an instrument of plunder and benefits one citizen or group of citizens at the expense of others by doing that which the criminal law forbids the individual to do when acting alone—there is bound to be strong opposition to such measures.

This type of law has become completely acceptable in the United States both on the state and federal level during the last fifty years of our history. It is this fact, together with the continuing growth of such administrative laws, which in my mind represents the real threat of communism.

I have for some time been impressed with the fact that the founders of scientific socialism proposed that their system of government be established in a capitalist nation by means of the ballot box—by the peaceful process of voting into effect those laws which they believed would eventuate in the establishment of communism. Marx and Engels in the Communist Manifesto proposed the use of the democratic process to adopt a system of laws which would bring about the form of government which they proposed. Let us listen to a few excerpts from the Manifesto:

We have seen above that the first step in the revolution of the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to establish democracy. The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest by degrees all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…

The Manifesto goes on to say—and again I quote:

Of course, in the beginning this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property and on the conditions of bourgeois production;…

Clearly Marx and Engels felt it necessary to prepare for the communist coup by first securing the adoption of laws which diminish and destroy the right of private property—laws which I call administrative laws. Let us next examine exactly what their legislative platform consisted of, because they had one. They listed ten separate measures which they considered applicable in the most advanced capitalistic countries. These famous ten points are as follows:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an   exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of child factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

Except for the last measure proposed, which deals with state control of education, each of these ten proposals recommends a law aimed at the destruction of the right of private property. Marx and Engels freely admitted their purpose. At one place in this same document we find this statement: “The communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional property relations.”

And still another indication of their purpose is found in these words: “In this sense the theory of the communists may be summed up in the single sentence: ‘Abolition of Private Property.’”

Just as Marx and Engels and their successors have proposed the adoptions of laws designed to destroy private property as the means of creating a communist slave state, so those who have been advocates of individual freedom have proposed laws which would protect this right.

Those who framed the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of securing the blessings of liberty to themselves and their posterity included therein a provision that no person should be deprived of his life, liberty, or property without due process of law and that private property could not be taken for public purposes without just compensation.

Why is it that the communists place so much importance upon the abolition of the right of private property in order to effectuate their slave state and why is it that the founding fathers regarded it with equal importance in preserving freedom? I would like to explain my own position, which is that the right of private property is the sine qua non of individual freedom.

I ask you to make a plan to achieve any noteworthy goal and then envision how you would succeed if you were denied the right to own and/or control property. The right of private property is the means to all of our ends; it is the limiting factor in our dreams and ambitions; it is the extension of our faculties and may raise them to the nth power. Without the right of private property, the individual is harmless, helpless, and hopeless.

As one might suspect, because of my feeling that the right of private property lies at the basis of all real freedom, the changes which have occurred during the past fifty years in our American form of government concern me greatly. As I have studied the situation which exists in our country. I have reached a conclusion similar to that arrived at by Ben Moreel in a speech in Chicago nearly ten years ago. Mr. Moreel, chairman of the Board of Jones and Laughlin Steel Corporation, delivered a speech entitled, To Communism: Via Majority Vote. After reviewing the ten points of the Manifesto he concluded thus: But this startling fact cannot be denied: since Marx enunciated his doctrine slightly more than one hundred years ago, we Americans have adopted in varying degrees…practically his entire program.

Aside from the possibility that we might be destroyed in the process, there is nothing which can stop us from becoming a completely socialized or communized nation if the majority of the people desire this to happen. If it is brought about it will be because, on the one hand, the majority do not want the responsibility of caring for their own economic needs, and on the other hand, the politicians readily and willingly accept this responsibility and the power which goes with it.

The Book of Mormon is a unique witness and warning to America about other civilizations who went down this path. J. Reuben Clark wrote about the fullness of iniquity of the Jareditic civilization and what they did to their government.

“We are not given the step-by-step backsliding of this Jareditic civilization till it reached the social and governmental chaos the record sets out, but those steps seem wholly clear from the results. Put into modern terms, we can understand them. First there was a forsaking of the righteous life, and the working of wickedness; then must have come the extortion and oppression of the poor by the rich; then retaliation and reprisal by the poor against the rich; then would come a cry to share the wealth which should belong to all; then the easy belief that society owed every man a living whether he worked or not; then the keeping of a great body of idlers; then when community revenues failed to do this, as they always have failed and always will fail, a self-helping by one to the goods of his neighbor; and finally when the neighbor resisted, as resist he must, or starve with his family, then death to the neighbor and all that belonged to him. This was the decreed “fulness of iniquity.” “(Stand Fast by our Constitution, p. 177, J. Reuben Clark)

President Clark went on to discuss this same fulness of iniquity which overcame the Nephites. He went on to warn us (p.183) that we Gentiles may have a similar fulness of iniquity if we are not righteous. President McKay explained the source this system of government which would lead to this destruction when he said:

“…Even in man’s pre-existent state, Satan sought power to compel the human family to do his will by suggesting that the free agency of man be inoperative. If his plan had been accepted, human beings would have become mere puppets in the hands of a dictator, and the purpose of man’s coming to earth would have been frustrated. Satan’s proposed system of government, therefore, was rejected, and the principle of free agency established in its place…. Any form of government that destroys or undermines the free exercise of free agency is wrong.” (The Improvement Era, Feb. 1962, p. 87, President David O. McKay)

President McKay further clarified the system he was describing when he said in 1966,

“The position of this Church on the subject of Communism has never changed. We consider it the greatest satanical threat to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God’s work among men that exists on the face of the earth.” (Conference Report, April, 1966. pp. 109-110, David O. McKay)

Was he opposed only to Communism? Referring to the economic system of Communism he stated, when talking about the direction of America

“During the first half of the twentieth century we have traveled far into the soul-destroying land of socialism…” (Gospel Ideals, p. 273, David O. McKay)


20 thoughts on “Socialism: Frustrating The Purpose of Man”

  1. Let me just state that America is not on the road to communism. This false idea that the government is going to own and control all lands is laughable. Sorry to be blunt but I own property and the government has no rights on it other than the tax which I freely pay- a tax BTW that enables my children to go to good schools taught by free independent thinkers. There is no plan in place for our government to take ownership of all lands- where do people get this stuff anyway?

    On top of that, the principles of socialism are defined different by groups. Private ownership of property fits within social states and principles by some groups. It is unfair to group all social governments with what one person viewed as an ideal socialistic or communistic government. The manifesto is not the “bible” for socialism.

    Many people do not realize that the way the church is supposed to be set up and ran has more in common with socialism than it does with capitalism- speaking from a monetary point alone.

    Don’t get me wrong about trying to voice in favor of “socialism” of the which I am not. That said, proper definitions of socialism stand in order if one is going to properly discuss the matter. LDS believers are way to easily swayed into automatically grouping the evil dictators of our latter days with socialism and communism when in fact, those evil governemnts of our past had little to do with either forms of those governments and principles and by truth- they were dictatorships of the worst and vilest natures.

    As for Agency and Satan’s plan- his plan was to get us to sin and trap us in his eternal chains of hell and misery. That plan is the same plan he still is carrying out in the world today. His plan wasn’t chosen. But what was his plan? His plan was to be born as the only begotten of the Father (Taking Jesus role) only he wasn’t planning on saving anyone- he was just selfish and wanted the gift of immortality.

    Let’s not assume that his plan was “socialism” of the which it was not nor ever was. His plan always deals with sin first and foremost, then tyranny and slavery. His plans work and are at work in all governments wherever they may be through individuals alone. This even means that the church government from time to time even gets infiltrated by Satan’s works. Satan works through individuals alone. H ewill try to corrupt any good system that man sets up to do.

    1. I turn the tables right back on you- there are a lot of accusations about some government cospiracy or overthrow of some commy plot and yet nothing solid. We both know that there have been leaders in our church who were ultra right wing conspiracy theorists like Ezra Taft Benson as the most prominent of them. His ideals and theories string from the cold war era when he was absolutly certain about the Russian commy plot of them to tak eover the world. One of his tirades was the civil rights movement and women rights. This is to show you that even though they can be prophets of God, they too speak opinions and not the words of God all the time-To quote from Ezra Taft Benson .

      “Now there is nothing wrong with civil rights–it is what’s being done in the name of civil rights that is alarming. There is no doubt that the so-called Civil Rights movement as it exists today is used as a communist program for revolution in America, just as agrarian reform was used by the communists to take over China and Cuba.”

      “As far back as 1928, the communists declared that the cultural, economic, and social differences between the races in America could be exploited by them to create the animosity, fear, and hatred between large segments of our people that would be necessary beginning ingredients for their revolution.

      Briefly, the three broad objectives were–and are–as follows:

      Create Hatred
      Trigger Violence
      Overthrow Established Government ”

      Let me just ask this- I quoted froma sermon give 44 years ago by Ezra Taft Benson, why haven’t the Negro’s who are the puppets of communism taken over and destroyed our country?

      The whole communism conspiracy movement byt he ultra right wing in this country needs to stop. They make claim after claim (such as ETB on the Negro) and it doesn’t pan out. Groups on the ultra right continue to falsly accuse the government of turning us into slaves with our social services provided by the government such as “welfare”. But let’s be truly honest here- Without the social programs of our government that we the peoiple see fit to create, we wouldn’t have paved roads, no ambulance or emergency services, no police, no court system, no assistant programs for anyone, etc. I had one brother go so far as to say that the government welfare system is the counterfeit program of the church welfare system and as such the government program is of the devil. I say complete BS! The devil doesn’t want to help the needy or feed and clothe the hungry and desolate. If we are truly speaking of “socialism” in principle, the church is as guilty as anyone in the practice of social programs (socialism in it’s strictest definition).

      More to the point however is the fact that our current living presidency of the church has said absolutely nothing in regards to all these supposed claims of some communistic plot to destroy our government.

      If we are under such threats as this site claims, how come our living current prophet has said nothing on the matter?

  2. Interesting that most men through the ages did not usually honor women’s rights & freedoms to own property or vote or many other basic rights & thus men weren’t able to a hold of those same rights & freedoms themselves for long.

    Only when men honor women’s rights & freedoms 1st will their’s ever be secure. Even today in our country most men do not respect & protect women & their divine rights & privileges & thus it is no surprise that men themselves are being brought into bondage also.

    Churches & governments were instituted by God for the main purpose of protecting the people from abuse. Usually that means protecting women & children from men’s (usually their husbands & father’s) abuse, although sometimes men also need protection from women at times.

    Our government nor most of our churches, including our own church, have not fulfilled this their most vital role even today, & thus they all are disintegrating rapidly. Their only hope is repentance towards women.

    If men, churches, or nations ever want to be free for long they must honor their most important role, that of protecting, respecting, & caring for women & children & giving them 1st what they want for themselves.

    It’s impossible for a man to ever be happy & enjoy freedom, rights, power or privileges for long in this life, or even Exaltation in the next, if he does not keep his covenants to his wife to protect, respect & love her with a true & perfect love.

    And if a man is thus faithful, the woman is then obligated to keep her covenants to her husband with a true & perfect love if she ever wants to enjoy her eternal rights, privileges, power & Exaltation .

  3. You made some very interesting comments. I’ll address two; you mentioned you pay your taxes freely. I feel differently about that, we do not freely pay taxes. If you choose not to pay, you face certain consequences. Property tax is akin to paying rent to the government. You pay the property tax or else the government can take your land from you. So if you are forced to pay property tax, how is one able to truly own property?

    As for Satan’s plan, I highly doubt a third of Heavenly Father’s children chose Satan because he offered the pain and misery of hell. His plan was enticing because he said he would guarantee that all would be saved. Yes, at the expense of our agency, but hey, all will make it.

  4. Back at “For Rob,

    Paying taxes is part of obeying and sustaining the law.
    -12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

    (Pearl of Great Price | Articles of Faith 1:12)

    If you don’t like it I am sure other countries like Mexico would open it’s borders for you to move in.

    Satan flat out lied when he said he would save everyone. His real intentions were to drag mankind down to an eternal hell where agency is not excersized. There is no scripture that states he would really save everyone at the expense of ones agency. that is a common fallacy in our interpretation of doctrine.

    1. Brother Rob,
      I’d like to add a comment to this dialogue that seems to be forming here.
      I see you quoted an Article of Faith in response to a comment on property taxes. I think the comment above stated that you have a choice to pay taxes, but there is a consequence if you don’t. I didn’t see a suggestion to not pay taxes, or to disobey the law.

      As for your comment about there not being a scripture that states Satan wanted to save everyone and destroy the agency of man? What about Moses 4:1 …..—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.
      Moses 4:3 ….Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man,….

      The doctrine in those scriptures seems clear to me. I also noticed that you seemed quite hostile towards comments made by President Benson. Many of which he made as either apostle or prophet during General Conference. From what I’ve seen, President Benson was inspired and he was exactly right. If you read further here on this site, you may also see that there have been articles written on what the prophets have stated in our day concerning agency.

      I share my thoughts with you in the spirit of brotherhood. I hope you take them that way. Sometimes if I feel that if a comment made by an apostle or prophet doesn’t seem right, I examine what it is that I may be missing. By doing that I’ve always ended up by gaining further insight and knowledge and that it was the lack thereof that caused my initial misunderstanding.

      1. The scriptures in Moses 4 are describing the events that happened in the pre-mortal state. Satan “said” he would be the savior, redeem mankind that not one soul should be lost. Of note here is that the role of the savior is only for only those whom the Father gives to save. In this case, “all” of those given tot he savior would need to be saved. Satan is just making the claim of what a savior needs to do- save all mankind that are given to him to save. The role of Christ is to save all the works of the Father in whom He gives to Christ to save. Satan here is trying to usurp the kingdom. We will get to agency in a sec.

        What is not said specifically but can be inferred is that after Satan said this he was called a “liar”. So, when we read that Satan said he would save everyone (the role of a savior) he was lying in doing so. An imperfect being is incapable of saving souls. Satan brought his sinful nature to the table- he was incapable of saving anyone.

        Now to agency. His plans haven’t changed at all. Satan still wants us to believe in his plan- sin here and there and in the end reap an eternal reward. But in his craftiness he knows that one can’t possibly be saved in sin. this is his trap that he encircles and binds the souls of men with. This is how he destroys our agency. Remember that agency is a right and priveledge “if” one obeys the laws. As long as one is obedient he is within eternal justification and as such has priveledges to act as he so chooses. No eternal justice acts upon him as long as he makes the right choices. This is called “agency”. Satan, not wanting man to have this priveledge therefore causes us to fall into the trap of sin and it’s consequence of eternal justice from which we cannot escape without the role of a proper savior and repentance and obedience. To support my case read specifically the wording in Moses 4:4

        4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.

        (Pearl of Great Price | Moses 4:4)

        Note specifically how it says that those he leads away he leads them into captivity subject to “his will” and not ones own. This is by every definition- the destruction or loss of ones agency. Many think “agency” is just the ability to choose but this is not the case. Agency is a priveledge that can only be excersized in righteousness. If it wasn’t for Christ, we would have no eternal agency because we could only be acted upon by the eternal demands of justice. We would forever be held captive to the punishments and torments of the damned with no escape.

        I mainly disagree with Benson on the issues of his communistic conspiracy theories. He was a Great man in all other respects. Even in patriotism he was to be honored. That said, I honestly believe he placed too much trust in groups like the John Birch Society from which he adopted most of his ideas from. One can go back and research some of that which Benson was so sure about and see in our day where those theories haven’t panned out. I brought up the civil rights movement as an example to show that a lot of times one who is a great man can get things wrong.

      2. I just was reading Oct. 2010 Conference talk from President Monson quote “We know that we had our agency before this world was and that Lucifer attempted to take it from us. He had no confidence in the principle of agency or in us and argued for imposed salvation.”

  5. Comment to Rob: Opinions like yours help pave the way for socialists, marxists, and commies to get their hooks into the American way of life and slowly but surely rearrange our society to believe that it could never happen here but it is unfortunately right in front of our faces.

    Why would our current president trash our constitution? Why would he consistently divide the people, incite hatred towards those who aren’t riding on his bus, make jokes at glaringly important issues such as immigration, the bursting budget, etc., etc. His circle of friends are commies and who he appoints to important positions are far, far left wingers. Czars? Really? Check out the backgrounds of the Czars. If you still don’t think we’re headed towards a communistic way of life start doing some research on Agenda 21, Earth Charter, Food, Inc., North American Union, the UN’s Convention on the Rights of the Child, Sharia Law, Global Warming Scheme aka Climate Change, Fake Food Safety Bill S510 (luckily this didn’t go through), Net Neutrality (as well). If you think all of these proposed schemes are for our protection think again. It’s for control. Whomever controls food, medicine, education, economics, energy, churches, businesses, and property has control over you. Unfortunately, it’s coming and has been for a while.

    Your question as to why our Prophet has not spoken of this currently. I can only thank past Prophets like Ezra Taft Benson and the like for their courage to warn the people. We also have to use our own mind, heart, and personal revelations to guide us as well. We should be able to see evil clearly and protect ourselves and family from it and maybe you wouldn’t need the Prophet to confirm its presence. Do your homework.

      1. I have read all your comments and I appreciate your sincerity. My hope is that no-one gets to caught up in their own understanding to the point of feeling they have the right to disregard the words of the Prophet. We must all consider that challenging time are ahead and are we committed to the LORD through the voice of His servants the Prophets no matter what their counsel; or are we wise in our own eyes? Please remember it is a possibility that the very elect will be deceived. The wise Virgins had the Holy Spirit as their guide and in addition I believe would not stray from the words of the Masters servants the Prophets; even if the Prophets counsel differs from what we steadfastly believed.

        1. And my hope is that people also don’t get to caught up in th econspiracy theories that they fall into apostacy from the present living church and current living prophets and their specific counsel for our time.

          1. It is also my hope that people use good judgement, exercise caution, and continually educate themselves to what’s really happening in our world along with scripture study, prayer, and seeking spiritual guidance. I also believe that we shouldn’t put our heads in the sand because church leadership hasn’t validated or confirmed our awful situation. I think we have to use our gut feelings and prepare for just about anything. I hardly think it is a conspiracy theory that communism and other anti-US ways are still alive and stealthily moving forward. It’s a fact and the ring leader is none other than the adversary. You can bank on it.

  6. One more item to research is the activities of George Soros. We need to fight back and wave our own banner of freedom.

  7. The Saints have never practiced Socialism. There is a big difference between a voluntary association to provide for the needs of all (the United Order) and the use of government force to take from individuals and redistribute their wealth (Socialism.) In a voluntary association you may withdraw at any time. There is no easy escape from Socialism. Please check out these quotes by latter-day prophets on Socialism.

  8. We live under a dictatorship. Obama may never leave office. All that is needed is to orchestrate a supposed national emergency situation and put these EO’s in force. With a stroke of a pen all of these executive orders will take place.

    Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An “emergency czar” was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.
    1. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. ( Can you say mark of the beast? )
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. (The Lord said he would call the missionaries home, but getting there is another thing.)
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. (Detention camps)
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. (Talk about Storage Wars!
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. (real or not)
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. (dictatorship established)

    1. Ken H….I totally agree with the facts you have presented. Obama, his administration, and those who back him, and his mentors during his lifetime are those who support marxist teachings. I am sure he would like to find a way to cancel the upcoming election to where he could retain influence and power as a dictator in America. With the 40 some czars he has appointed the power is given to them to make decisions for American citizens bypassing Congress. Obama has now stated that in 2012 he does not need Congress to accomplish what he wants. This to me is very scary. Anyone who sits idly by and ignores this kind of thinking is fooling themselves. These are the kind of do nothings that have no idea what is going on.

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